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JaxSon
12-08-2015, 04:22 AM
My son did the upgrade from Win7 to Win10 on his Asus laptop and has been b|tching ever since. He did the in-place upgrade, not a clean install. First off, it installed a whole bunch of useless apps. Then he started getting "out of memory" messages even tho he has 6GB of RAM. Then his CPU usage is through the roof; into the 60-70% range. He is using Avast for his antivirus and has deleted Norton and turned Windows Defender off. He got M$ on the phone and they accessed his laptop and ran a bunch of checks, etc. After that, he's even gotten a couple of BSOD's upon bootup. So, he figured he would just go back to Win7 but he kept getting these messages about him needing to delete any users that he's added. But the only user is himself with Admin capabilities; so that just goes into an endless loop; can't revert back to Win7.

He has Googled it and evidently, there are all kinds of problems with Win10 from memory leaks to wiping out disk drives and all kinds of crap. Needless to say, he has regretted it and wishes he could just go back to Win7.

Have any of you guys gone down this route and what suggestions do you have?

TIA

slgrieb
12-08-2015, 05:43 AM
My son did the upgrade from Win7 to Win10 on his Asus laptop and has been b|tching ever since. He did the in-place upgrade, not a clean install. First off, it installed a whole bunch of useless apps. Then he started getting "out of memory" messages even tho he has 6GB of RAM. Then his CPU usage is through the roof; into the 60-70% range. He is using Avast for his antivirus and has deleted Norton and turned Windows Defender off. He got M$ on the phone and they accessed his laptop and ran a bunch of checks, etc. After that, he's even gotten a couple of BSOD's upon bootup. So, he figured he would just go back to Win7 but he kept getting these messages about him needing to delete any users that he's added. But the only user is himself with Admin capabilities; so that just goes into an endless loop; can't revert back to Win7.

He has Googled it and evidently, there are all kinds of problems with Win10 from memory leaks to wiping out disk drives and all kinds of crap. Needless to say, he has regretted it and wishes he could just go back to Win7.

Have any of you guys gone down this route and what suggestions do you have?

TIA

My experience so far is that the Windows 10 upgrade is usually pretty painless. I had one client who turned her computer off while the upgrade was completing, and I had to use a DVD to reload the upgrade, but most of the ones I've been involved with are pretty painless. Most of my clients have installed the upgrade with very few problems (and also provided me with no revenue).

My advice is to download the iso file, and do the install from a DVD or pen drive, rather than do it online. It is quicker, and seems to have fewer glitches. As I understand it, currently once a Win10 upgrade has been activated, you can do subsequent clean installations with your old version's product ID. But, you gotta activate the upgrade first.

Still most of the problems I've seen come down to malware, old or oddball software, or users just shutting down the computer when they shouldn't have done so. I spent about 2 hours this morning finishing a Win10 installation for an older client. I pretty much had everything working in about 45 minutes except for Windows Update. After I removed around 500 bits of malware, I ran the Win10 specific Windows Update trouble shooter and fixed the issue in about 5 minutes.

My only problem with Win10 is that it broke my accounting software. I don't use QuickBooks, and will never, ever, under any circumstances buy Quickbooks again. Before that happens, I'll move all my stuff into Excel and bite the bullet on the inconvenience. I'm still running Office Accounting 2008, and it is perfectly adequate for my needs. Win10 broke SQL 5.0, but I just run Office Accounting under VMWare in a virtual XP machine, and it's OK.

I see posts about performance issues, blue screens, etc. with Win10, but I'm not seeing any of that. Most of the issues I see are driver related. Many older printers don't have drivers that work well with Win10. Generally, if the printer has a Win 8.1 driver, that will work with Win10, but you may need to uninstall the old driver before the upgrade is installed. I've been running Win10 on my primary office computer since its release and if anything, I find it to be quicker than Win7 or 8.1

I now have it running on my wife's desktop, EC's laptop, and YC's desktop. And it was all pretty painless. So far the worst problem I've had has been the YC's Wacom Intuos tablet driver doesn't work. But, there's a new driver, I just have a problem prying YC away from her computer long enough to do the uninstallation and reinstallation.

slgrieb
12-08-2015, 06:04 AM
It's worth mentioning that Win10 has also had a fair amount of stuff stripped out of the default installation. Win10 has no native support for playing DVD movies, so, horror of horrors, you might be forced to download the free VLC Media Player. There have been significant changes to the traditional games in Win10, but there are MS replacements for them all or free alternatives. The Weather app is greatly improved from earlier versions. I have voice activation for Cortana turned on for my desktop and EC's laptop, and while I might not use it all that much, Cortana can be much quicker for doing some calculations and conversions that using Calculator; which makes the older versions of Calculator look truly pathetic.

Overdrv
12-08-2015, 01:27 PM
Any truth to the stories of windows 10 looking for pirated media ?

Larommi
12-08-2015, 03:32 PM
I upgraded my gaming laptop to run it and so far it has been okay. Long story short.

I loaded a second HDD to load Linux on.

Fucked up my primary drive because I am a dumbass when it comes to linux.

Restored win7 from the backup it asks you to make when you first get a PC preloaded.

Updated to 10, and so far it has been stable.

Perhaps it is the "clean" install of 7 that helped.

Larommi
12-08-2015, 03:35 PM
fyi

I load most my non OS software on the second partition and restoring all that software went incredibly well. Most of it did not even have to reinstall, I just pointed to where the software was during install of software, Win just kind of fixed its registry without reinstalling and re-updating the software itself.

3fingersalute
12-08-2015, 06:18 PM
My son did the upgrade from Win7 to Win10 on his Asus laptop and has been b|tching ever since. He did the in-place upgrade, not a clean install. First off, it installed a whole bunch of useless apps. Then he started getting "out of memory" messages even tho he has 6GB of RAM. Then his CPU usage is through the roof; into the 60-70% range. He is using Avast for his antivirus and has deleted Norton and turned Windows Defender off. He got M$ on the phone and they accessed his laptop and ran a bunch of checks, etc. After that, he's even gotten a couple of BSOD's upon bootup. So, he figured he would just go back to Win7 but he kept getting these messages about him needing to delete any users that he's added. But the only user is himself with Admin capabilities; so that just goes into an endless loop; can't revert back to Win7.

He has Googled it and evidently, there are all kinds of problems with Win10 from memory leaks to wiping out disk drives and all kinds of crap. Needless to say, he has regretted it and wishes he could just go back to Win7.

Have any of you guys gone down this route and what suggestions do you have?

TIA

I've been running it on my work laptop without any issues, I actually like it, although I guess in fairness I must say that it's not my primary machine, I only use it as needed.

I upgraded my daughter's and she kept running into the "out of memory" errors as well. I had her laptop setup with no swap file (experimenting around with stuff I had read about SSD's) and had no issues with it when she was running win7. I re-enabled the swap file and it's been fine ever since, but I'm still considering reloading hers with win7.

slgrieb
12-08-2015, 11:03 PM
Any truth to the stories of windows 10 looking for pirated media ?
If you have an activated version of Windows, the upgrade will activate.

74AD
12-22-2015, 03:01 PM
I have it running at home on my "piss around" computer and it's fine. I don't do much with it. FB, reddit, itunes, etc.....
We've had a few people try it at work against our recommendation and have had problems......

3fingersalute
12-22-2015, 05:44 PM
We've had a few people try it at work against our recommendation and have had problems......

My FIL's computer bit the dust about 2 weeks ago so I picked him up a used tower with no hard drive from our surplus department here and loaded it with a fresh copy of Win7. He asks me this weekend if he should upgrade to Windows 10 because it keeps asking him to, I told him I didn't see any real reason/advantage for him to (he plays an online poker game, facebooks and reads email). I also told him that I'm way too busy right now with Christmas and the house project to deal with it if it causes any issues........needless to say he upgraded anyways and told me he was having some issues. I told him to try to work them out himself, revert the upgrade or wait until January :p

Mobile PC
12-22-2015, 06:11 PM
I don't think you can uninstall 10 and revert back to 7

slgrieb
12-22-2015, 06:36 PM
I don't think you can uninstall 10 and revert back to 7

You can do it within 30 days of installing Win10. If you navigate to the Settings Menu, and then click Updates and Security, then Recovery, you will see an option to revert to the previous version of Windows. I've done this two or three times, all of them without problems. Outside of the 30 day grace period it's back to a clean installation. Again, my experience suggests that anyone having problems with the Windows 10 upgrades, either didn't take the time to check potential compatibility issues, or had malware. Possibly a FUBAR Windows installation; and upgrade installations seldom fix those.

slgrieb
12-22-2015, 06:57 PM
You can do it within 30 days of installing Win10. If you navigate to the Settings Menu, and then click Updates and Security, then Recovery, you will see an option to revert to the previous version of Windows. I've done this two or three times, all of them without problems. Outside of the 30 day grace period it's back to a clean installation. Again, my experience suggests that anyone having problems with the Windows 10 upgrades, either didn't take the time to check potential compatibility issues, or had malware. Possibly a FUBAR Windows installation; and upgrade installations seldom fix those.

At the same time, I think Microsoft really needs to back off the damn sales pitch for Windows 10! MS really needs to provide a clear and obvious message about potential software and hardware issues, and explicit directions to run the Windows 10 Comparability Checker before installing the upgrade. See http://www.zdnet.com/article/will-your-pc-run-windows-10-use-this-well-hidden-compatibility-checker-to-find-out/

Mobile PC
12-22-2015, 08:13 PM
You can do it within 30 days of installing Win10. If you navigate to the Settings Menu, and then click Updates and Security, then Recovery, you will see an option to revert to the previous version of Windows. I've done this two or three times, all of them without problems. Outside of the 30 day grace period it's back to a clean installation. Again, my experience suggests that anyone having problems with the Windows 10 upgrades, either didn't take the time to check potential compatibility issues, or had malware. Possibly a FUBAR Windows installation; and upgrade installations seldom fix those.

Thanks for the knowledge!

3fingersalute
12-22-2015, 08:40 PM
You can do it within 30 days of installing Win10. If you navigate to the Settings Menu, and then click Updates and Security, then Recovery, you will see an option to revert to the previous version of Windows. I've done this two or three times, all of them without problems. Outside of the 30 day grace period it's back to a clean installation. Again, my experience suggests that anyone having problems with the Windows 10 upgrades, either didn't take the time to check potential compatibility issues, or had malware. Possibly a FUBAR Windows installation; and upgrade installations seldom fix those.

I have no idea what his "issues" are and right now don't really care. Knowing him, I'm guessing it means his Dale Earnhardt Jr. wallpaper isn't there, or incredimail isn't playing the right stupid sound when he gets email or something equally stupid.... :p

74AD
12-23-2015, 12:38 PM
I have no idea what his "issues" are and right now don't really care. Knowing him, I'm guessing it means his Dale Earnhardt Jr. wallpaper isn't there, or incredimail isn't playing the right stupid sound when he gets email or something equally stupid.... :p

ha ha.
The MIL upgraded and her docking station stopped working. I rolled it back and got everything to work right again.
a few weeks later it was back to windows 10. because "It's free....."

so the money I spent on a docking station for her is wasted........but hey she's got a free OS......

3fingersalute
12-23-2015, 02:56 PM
ha ha.
The MIL upgraded and her docking station stopped working. I rolled it back and got everything to work right again.
a few weeks later it was back to windows 10. because "It's free....."

so the money I spent on a docking station for her is wasted........but hey she's got a free OS......

LOL. Reminds me of another funny thing my FIL does. He gets all excited about "senior citizens discounts" so he drives about 20 miles round-trip to a local chip factory to buy chips there because he gets 10% off and the retail stores don't offer the discount. On a $7.50 box of chips he saves 75 cents over what he'd pay in the store......and drives 20 miles to get it! :p

74AD
12-23-2015, 05:35 PM
LOL. Reminds me of another funny thing my FIL does. He gets all excited about "senior citizens discounts" so he drives about 20 miles round-trip to a local chip factory to buy chips there because he gets 10% off and the retail stores don't offer the discount. On a $7.50 box of chips he saves 75 cents over what he'd pay in the store......and drives 20 miles to get it! :p

genius. gotta love the "logic"

slgrieb
12-23-2015, 11:12 PM
ha ha.
The MIL upgraded and her docking station stopped working. I rolled it back and got everything to work right again.
a few weeks later it was back to windows 10. because "It's free....."

so the money I spent on a docking station for her is wasted........but hey she's got a free OS......

For what it's worth, just about any Win 8.1 device driver will work with 10, and on a couple of new machines recently, I've just installed Win7 drivers that worked OK. But it's worth repeating, MS needs to back off on the sales pitch. BTW, currently, you can do a clean installation and activation with a Win7 or 8.x product id., so you no longer have to update, then activate, then perform a clean install.

archer
12-23-2015, 11:23 PM
You can install Win7ProSP3 OEM using Daz loader then install the upgrade to 10 and it will generate a valid installation key on their server for reinstalls to the same system.

CeeBee
12-24-2015, 01:03 AM
You can install Win7ProSP3 OEM
When was SP3 released??? Or SP2????:confused:

edball
02-15-2016, 06:23 PM
I upgraded my desktop, an i7 with 16gb memory and dual video cards, and it killed my performance. I ran it for a couple of weeks before reverting back. After reverting my performance was top notch again. I'm not sure what they did but I tried several of the tips to correct it. But why should you have to turn everything off that was running fine on 7? It also would not install on my two AMD processor computers, none of the fixes worked either. I did put it on an old celeron dual core that just runs my cameras and it works okay on it. It was mostly the mouse lag that drove me crazy, and the file copy time was ridiculous. I also think they did something to slow down Chrome because it worked much slower than the Edge browser, but they both sucked.

slgrieb
02-15-2016, 08:41 PM
I upgraded my desktop, an i7 with 16gb memory and dual video cards, and it killed my performance. I ran it for a couple of weeks before reverting back. After reverting my performance was top notch again. I'm not sure what they did but I tried several of the tips to correct it. But why should you have to turn everything off that was running fine on 7? It also would not install on my two AMD processor computers, none of the fixes worked either. I did put it on an old celeron dual core that just runs my cameras and it works okay on it. It was mostly the mouse lag that drove me crazy, and the file copy time was ridiculous. I also think they did something to slow down Chrome because it worked much slower than the Edge browser, but they both sucked.

Sounds strange. I have to say that I'm really confused, because I'm not encountering these kinds of issues. I guess the closest thing I've seen involves a client running Firefox 44.0.2. She normally has anywhere from 30 something to like 50 tabs open, and she normally leaves the browser open overnight. She experiences frequent hangs and crashes, but they only seem to have started after she updated from Firefox 43.whatever to the current release.

It's also one of those problems that I can't fricking replicate. I disabled hardware acceleration in Firefox, but have to wait and see what happens. I had a support guy earlier today, try and tell me that a problem with their software not updating was due the fact that she is running Win10 Home, instead of Pro, but I think the fact was he really had no clue. Guess these days $5, 000 for a piece of software just doesn't get you the support it used to. Turns out that the problem is almost certainly an ATT issue, and they are replacing her phone line and modem tomorrow.

Larommi
02-16-2016, 02:05 PM
I upgraded my desktop, an i7 with 16gb memory and dual video cards, and it killed my performance. I ran it for a couple of weeks before reverting back. After reverting my performance was top notch again. I'm not sure what they did but I tried several of the tips to correct it. But why should you have to turn everything off that was running fine on 7? It also would not install on my two AMD processor computers, none of the fixes worked either. I did put it on an old celeron dual core that just runs my cameras and it works okay on it. It was mostly the mouse lag that drove me crazy, and the file copy time was ridiculous. I also think they did something to slow down Chrome because it worked much slower than the Edge browser, but they both sucked.

I think it is something with DX. Not sure, I have never ran dual cards, but I am an online gamer and have heard of this issue before.

edball
02-16-2016, 02:56 PM
I think it is something with DX. Not sure, I have never ran dual cards, but I am an online gamer and have heard of this issue before.
That might be it. Sometimes it's fine and I turned off some features that improved the performance. I just was running out of time to revert so I did it before I passed the point of no return.

edball
02-16-2016, 02:59 PM
Has anyone done an enterprise level upgrade? It would be interesting to know how that went. I retired a few years ago so I'm out of the loop but I can imagine pulling my hair out when 400-500 pc's were downloading the update and then having to work out all the issues with an assortment of devices.

74AD
02-19-2016, 07:13 PM
Has anyone done an enterprise level upgrade? It would be interesting to know how that went. I retired a few years ago so I'm out of the loop but I can imagine pulling my hair out when 400-500 pc's were downloading the update and then having to work out all the issues with an assortment of devices.

we're going to find out shortly .......

I just put win10 on the new image for the new plant I'm opening next week and I started telling people that they could go ahead and do the upgrade since our design software now supports 10....should be fun :(

Spork
04-05-2016, 05:54 PM
FYI, if you have any old TechNet Win7 installs laying around on spare drives, cash those suckers in.

I did this with my wife's computer. I had replaced her hard drive with a SSD and had to use a non-legit copy of Win7 in the mean time. The previous TechNet release of Win7 was no longer valid after reinstall and could not be registered again (MS killed many of the keys when they discontinued TechNet previews). So, when Win10 was released, I put the old drive back in and BOOM, it was eligible for Win10 upgrade. So I completed the upgrade process and registered the machine. Swapped out the hard drive for the SSD and reinstalled Win10. Machine is now successfully registered and legit.

Just thought I would pass along the tip!

JaxSon
05-21-2016, 05:02 PM
Well Hell! M$, in their infinite wisdom, decided to Update to Win10 on its own. I never told it to do that! I was very happy with my Win8.1!

It took almost 4 hours with all of the restarts, etc. And now, I'm on Win10. Wonderful. NOT!!!

It deleted, on its own, some programs that it determined were not compatible with Win10. WTF!!!

One of my primary clients uses a version of VMWare that is not compatible with Win10 yet.

Again, I never gave it permission to update to Win10. But evidently, if you have Updates set to Automatically Install, it will go ahead and Update to Win10 without your permission. What a royal crock!!!

I can see major litigation coming out of this fiasco from other users such as me.

CeeBee
05-22-2016, 02:18 PM
I can see major litigation coming out of this fiasco from other users such as me.
Ummm.. nope. Refer to the EULA...


6. Updates. The softwareperiodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

CeeBee
05-23-2016, 01:40 AM
Disable potential Win10 update:
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

JaxSon
05-23-2016, 10:10 PM
Ummm.. nope. Refer to the EULA...

...and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

That may be but I still don't like it. I kept clearing those dialogue boxes that kept trying to get me to update to Win10. And then, it went ahead and updated to Win10 anyway! And I still say it's a CROCK!!!

The system seems to be working fine since it has updated to Win10 but again, one of my main clients uses a version of VMWare and Workbooth that doesn't like Win10. That was the main reason I didn't want to update. When I try to log in, it says Win10 is not supported.

74AD
07-13-2016, 12:36 PM
Just a thought but since the upgrade is running out on 7/29 wouldn't it make sense to image the system as windows 7, do the upgrade to get the digital entitlement for future upgrade, and then image it back to windows 7?
I'm kicking around doing that with a couple of systems I'm not yet ready to bite the bullet on, but will eventually.

CeeBee
07-13-2016, 01:36 PM
I have licenses for all MS software through my MSDN subscription so I'm in no rush to upgrade.
And even if I did upgrade I'd still use a loader to activate, just on principle.

Mobile PC
07-14-2016, 12:53 AM
I had to Google loader. That's not filled with virus, spyware and who knows what else???

CeeBee
07-14-2016, 02:16 AM
I had to Google loader. That's not filled with virus, spyware and who knows what else???
Nope - at least not the good one (DAZ).
https://www.facebook.com/windows7loader/
IIRC it's open source

slgrieb
07-16-2016, 04:44 PM
Just a thought but since the upgrade is running out on 7/29 wouldn't it make sense to image the system as windows 7, do the upgrade to get the digital entitlement for future upgrade, and then image it back to windows 7?
I'm kicking around doing that with a couple of systems I'm not yet ready to bite the bullet on, but will eventually.

Yeah, I'm in the process of doing that with 22 machines. PITA, but cheaper than buying 22 Win10 Pro upgrades when all the client's software is certified in late October.

slgrieb
08-15-2016, 09:40 PM
I just did the Win10 Anniversary Update, and it went very well. Apps seem to load a little quicker and the system feels more responsive, and in fact the update fixed some minor system glitches like a MS Weather App that couldn't retrieve data. So I had no problems.

Now, I've read about the bug that seems to cause to cause lockup issues on a few systems running the OS on an SSD and programs and data on a standard hard drive. I run the OS and my most important and frequently used programs from my SSD, and run the software that I don't use much, and store all my data files on a standard HDD, and I had no issues.

Initial reports of the problem indicated that the were 600 and something initial posts related to this issue, and last time I looked the count was up to 800 something. That's probably like 100 people reporting the problem. One of the problems with comparing searches for incident posts to the number of individual incidents is that isn't very accurate. It's like going to a park in the fall, counting fallen leaves and assuming that each leave comes from a single tree.

In fact that's one of the sorts of issues that finally made me quit posting on tech support forums. You have a lot of people who will post the same question on multiple forums and multiple threads on a forum. For instance, researching an unrelated issue on MS support, a moderator slapped down a poster because he had started 25 threads all asking minor semantic variations on the same question. Sometimes stuff like this gets flagged rapidly and combined into a single thread on a forum, sometimes they don't. And of course, there's no co-ordination between all the online forums.

So, if you are trying to help any of these guys, you often get no feed back from your posts, and if they find a solution, they will never, ever, share with it with all the places they've posted a question. I just finally decided that about 90% of the people posting on support forums are just totally self-involved leeches. Piss on 'em.

Mobile PC
08-15-2016, 09:51 PM
That's why this site is great, no one posts for help............:D

slgrieb
08-16-2016, 04:44 PM
That's why this site is great, no one posts for help............:D

Yeah, but I noticed you didn't disagree with assessment of the state of tech support forums.

Larommi
08-16-2016, 05:03 PM
I am having issues with 10 but am fairly certain since M$ or my laptop manufacturer could not help, I am on my own.

Since I refuse to F&R I will figure it out.

Long story short,

It appears I have a resource issue that I have not had to deal with since '98. If I enable my on board BT transmitter, I lose sound through the headphone jack. Fucking weirdest shit ever.

slgrieb
08-16-2016, 10:10 PM
I am having issues with 10 but am fairly certain since M$ or my laptop manufacturer could not help, I am on my own.

Since I refuse to F&R I will figure it out.

Long story short,

It appears I have a resource issue that I have not had to deal with since '98. If I enable my on board BT transmitter, I lose sound through the headphone jack. Fucking weirdest shit ever.

Well, for what it's worth, I've seen a lot of Dell Bluetooth driver packages where the management software that installs with the driver by default basically hoses the Bluetooth connection and causes other system problems, so you might want to try removing the manufacturer's software, and looking at a generic driver. Just a thought.

Mobile PC
08-17-2016, 01:46 AM
Yeah, but I noticed you didn't disagree with assessment of the state of tech support forums.

I totally agree with you. I used to help on a few, but not anymore.

Larommi
08-17-2016, 12:00 PM
Well, for what it's worth, I've seen a lot of Dell Bluetooth driver packages where the management software that installs with the driver by default basically hoses the Bluetooth connection and causes other system problems, so you might want to try removing the manufacturer's software, and looking at a generic driver. Just a thought.

Been down that road. Thanks though.

slgrieb
08-17-2016, 08:38 PM
Ever tried running a Bluetooth dongle and disabling the onboard Bluetooth?

Larommi
08-18-2016, 04:42 PM
Ever tried running a Bluetooth dongle and disabling the onboard Bluetooth?

I don't need or use the BT on my laptop so disabling it was a viable option. The only problem is Windblows "fixes" it for me whenever there is an update.

slgrieb
08-18-2016, 07:16 PM
I don't need or use the BT on my laptop so disabling it was a viable option. The only problem is Windblows "fixes" it for me whenever there is an update.

Last time I looked you could always decline an update and hide it.

Larommi
08-19-2016, 02:53 AM
I typically do, but then I am not learning anything.

Overdrv
08-19-2016, 07:10 PM
Open up the laptop and remove the bluetooth

Larommi
08-20-2016, 06:13 AM
no.

slgrieb
08-25-2016, 03:01 PM
For what it's worth, I just hit my first snag with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. It broke Quickbooks Enterprise 11 for one of my clients. Not only would it not run, but I was also unable to reinstall the software. It hung at about the 10 or 15% mark. Perhaps a newer version of this software might have worked, but when my client bought it the first time around it was about $2400, so it was way cheaper to remove the Anniversary Update.

Gazzak
08-28-2016, 10:45 PM
I just purchased an HP laptop for my daughter for university. It was so full of cr*pware from HP and Microsoft that rather than clean it up it was easier to re-install a clean OS without all the sh**.

Windows 10, just horrible.

slgrieb
09-28-2016, 12:19 AM
I just purchased an HP laptop for my daughter for university. It was so full of cr*pware from HP and Microsoft that rather than clean it up it was easier to re-install a clean OS without all the sh**.

Windows 10, just horrible.

Yeah, if you buy a Big Name computer (laptop or otherwise) you get a bunch of junkware. I guess that's how they differentiate their brand when basically, on comparable models, all the hardware is virtually identical.

Personally, I've been very pleased with Win10, and so have most of my clients. I rolled back one installation to Win7 due to performance issues with some very obscure tax software, but I'm extremely pleased with Win10 and the Anniversary Update also.

Today, I just found my second application that the anniversary update breaks: WordPerfect X3. Unlikely to be an issue for most folks, I think.

Still, if you have an issue with the anniversary update, you can download the Windows Update Troubleshooter and use it to hide the update.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/instantanswers/512a5183-ffab-40c5-8a68-021e32467565/windows-update-troubleshooter

Using the tool is pretty simple, just remember that the tool only checks installed updates, so run it before removing the anniversary update. I know this seems obvious, but I can assure you that to at least a couple of people I know, it wasn't. If in doubt, check out youtube.

Also, be aware that you only have 10 days to remove the anniversary update and revert to your previous version of Windows.