So that's what a heart attack feels like?

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Originally Posted by slgrieb

That's an interesting site and product. Maybe I'll try the product. My problem is that now I'm so cynical, I mistrust everything. I know that's a screwed up way of thinking, but that's just where my mind is these days. Still, thanks for the tip. I'll think about it.

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My B&C has gotten hooked on the "People's Chemist" and the products he hawks. https://thepeopleschemist.com/

He swears by the products because he got his mother off meds for diabetes, high blood pressure and cholesterol. I give him credit, she really does look better and even though it's pretty obvious she's got dementia, she tries to have conversations and she's more active - she actually wants to go outside and walk around when a year or two ago this same time of year she couldn't be bothered. She's 94.

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Originally Posted by northbayteky

My B&C has gotten hooked on the "People's Chemist" and the products he hawks. https://thepeopleschemist.com/

He swears by the products because he got his mother off meds for diabetes, high blood pressure and cholesterol. I give him credit, she really does look better and even though it's pretty obvious she's got dementia, she tries to have conversations and she's more active - she actually wants to go outside and walk around when a year or two ago this same time of year she couldn't be bothered. She's 94.

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I'm really skeptical of all these "alternative med" treatments and web sites. I'm also about as skeptical of the stuff my doctor wants to prescribe.

My dad lived longer post pancratic cancer surgery than he would have lived had he gone the conventional method of treatments. Alternative medication may not be the cure all but I bet part of the solution is there.

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Originally Posted by Larommi

Alternative medication may not be the cure all but I bet part of the solution is there.

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It really depends on the "medication". Some are downright charlatanry like http://www.oscillo.com/about/facts-about-oscillo/ <<< sells in "natural food" stores for $30-ish
200C means "original" solution diluted 1:100, repeat the process 200 times.
In simple math that results in 1: 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0 concentration.
Yes, that's 1 followed by 400 zeroes... 1:10^400 concentration
The estimation is that there are 10^80 -ish atoms in the observable universe.
That crap is sugar without any trace whatsoever of the "ingredient".

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Originally Posted by slgrieb

I'm really skeptical of all these "alternative med" treatments and web sites. I'm also about as skeptical of the stuff my doctor wants to prescribe.

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You might actually like this guy. His "newsletter" is quite colorful, if you catch my drift. Personally, if I were the one getting those newsletters, I would tell him if I wanted to hear all that crass language, I could go hang out in a bar. But the b&c laughs it off.

To be honest, I'm a skeptic as well. I don't think there's a magic bullet for anything. Sure, you can eat right and get exercise for all your adult life and still get cancer. I've reached an age where a lot of my old co-workers are dying off. I'm thinking that all the chemicals, solvents and adhesives prolific in the aircraft maintenance industry, combined with a total lack of information about what all these things will do to your organs, did them in. It was not uncommon to see guys washing a sealant off their bare hands with tric (triclorotriflouroethane, or something like that.) We later learned that most (if not all) the sealants, solvents and chemicals were teratogens, target organ chemicals and similarly very bad for you.

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It really depends on the "medication". Some are downright charlatanry like http://www.oscillo.com/about/facts-about-oscillo/ <<< sells in "natural food" stores for $30-ish
200C means "original" solution diluted 1:100, repeat the process 200 times.
In simple math that results in 1: 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0 concentration.
Yes, that's 1 followed by 400 zeroes... 1:10^400 concentration
The estimation is that there are 10^80 -ish atoms in the observable universe.
That crap is sugar without any trace whatsoever of the "ingredient".

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I don't believe that Larommi ever specified that his Dad used homeopathic remedies, unless I was asleep at the switch. That's not the only form of alternative medicine.

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You might actually like this guy. His "newsletter" is quite colorful, if you catch my drift. Personally, if I were the one getting those newsletters, I would tell him if I wanted to hear all that crass language, I could go hang out in a bar. But the b&c laughs it off.

To be honest, I'm a skeptic as well. I don't think there's a magic bullet for anything. Sure, you can eat right and get exercise for all your adult life and still get cancer. I've reached an age where a lot of my old co-workers are dying off. I'm thinking that all the chemicals, solvents and adhesives prolific in the aircraft maintenance industry, combined with a total lack of information about what all these things will do to your organs, did them in. It was not uncommon to see guys washing a sealant off their bare hands with tric (triclorotriflouroethane, or something like that.) We later learned that most (if not all) the sealants, solvents and chemicals were teratogens, target organ chemicals and similarly very bad for you.

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When I was 5 or 6, my Dad used to wash his hands after working on the car, with carbontetrachloride. He would take it from work at General Motors. Everybody would wash their hands in it after their shifts.

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I don't believe that Larommi ever specified that his Dad used homeopathic remedies, unless I was asleep at the switch. That's not the only form of alternative medicine.

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Yeah, that was not really what I was getting at

In the case of my dad, his alternative treatments were not the US typical slash and burn cancer treatment, but more of an immunity strengthening that tried to get the body to fight the cancer instead of just killing everything and hoping the patient survives. I honestly believe there is something there in that theory.

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Yeah, that was not really what I was getting at

In the case of my dad, his alternative treatments were not the US typical slash and burn cancer treatment, but more of an immunity strengthening that tried to get the body to fight the cancer instead of just killing everything and hoping the patient survives. I honestly believe there is something there in that theory.

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I wouldn't say that all forms of alternative medicine are BS. There was a time when treating wounds with honey or moldy bread were considered bizarre, but blood letting was considered sound medicine. Moldy bread was a crude, early form of penicillin and the curative properties of honey are nearly mainstream medicine. So, I have no issues at all with therapies that include a proper diet as part of the cure. My wife makes a tea from elder berries and honey, and I drink it every morning, even if it is pretty vile. It's supposed to help support the immune system.

Let's not forget the importance of the mind in staying healthy or in surviving wounds and illness.

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I wouldn't say that all forms of alternative medicine are BS.

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No, not even close. Some are total BS and some are comparable or maybe even better than pharmaceutical products.
But it's on a case-by-case basis. If it's homeopathic then it's as good as placebo.
Only if you go in a "natural" store, you'll find them on the same shelf...